GenII Busas restrictred to 100Hp in Europe?

[Tybalt]

:umm: kind of defeats the purpose of having a hayabusa, Full(France) and Svaleng(norway) are members here@ the BusaNation stating that thier new 2008 hayabusas are restricted over in Europe to 100 Hp:surprise: Anyone else have the same restrictions?

[svaleng]

In Norway you can choose between a full or reduced HP Busa, but the price is different, and the price of the insurance.
I just wondered where t the restriction was, but it probably is in the ECU....??

[Tybalt]

In Norway you can choose between a full or reduced HP Busa, but the price is different, and the price of the insurance.
I just wondered where t the restriction was, but it probably is in the ECU....??
Hey bro , perfect timing for you to join this discussion Welcome:cheers: Yes you can replace the ECU to get around the restriction. What is the $ difference for the full or reduced Busa?

[svaleng]

Hello :) the difference i about 7-8000 usd...

[Tybalt]

Hello :) the difference i about 7-8000 usd...
:surprise: wow!

[svaleng]

...do you think the US ECU is matching the european ECU? The ECU have a lower price in US than back home.

[shred is not dead]

Euro ecu is different from US ecu.

The 100hp is very easy to eliminate; just cut a wire(which controls the sec. butterflies) from the ecu and that's it; full power.(this goes for france, germany,belgium)

[SteveO]

UK is full power

[TimJF]

That's a crime against technology. My pessimistic nature makes me think Australia is next.

:surprise:

[PATRIOT]

buy the less one , cut the wires .......bobs your uncle
full power for 1/2 the price.

[Tybalt]

Euro ecu is different from US ecu.

The 100hp is very easy to eliminate; just cut a wire(which controls the sec. butterflies) from the ecu and that's it; full power.(this goes for france, germany,belgium)
This wire(blackw/white stripe?)

[svaleng]

Euro ecu is different from US ecu.

The 100hp is very easy to eliminate; just cut a wire(which controls the sec. butterflies) from the ecu and that's it; full power.(this goes for france, germany,belgium)


...have you done this ? and it works ?

[shred is not dead]

yes, it works

all" big" suzuki's (>100 hp) are restricted that way; just remove the right wire (which differs from model to model ofcourse) from the ecu and voila ; full power.

Kawa's ,honda's are restricted similar with the addition of replacing the inlets

[svaleng]

yes, it works

all" big" suzuki's (>100 hp) are restricted that way; just remove the right wire (which differs from model to model ofcourse) from the ecu and voila ; full power.

Kawa's ,honda's are restricted similar with the addition of replacing the inlets
thank you appreciate much

:thumbs up: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH... !

:cheers:

[Tybalt]

thank you appreciate much

:thumbs up: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH... !

:cheers:
:cheers:

Great information, thank you Shred for your contribution:thumbs up: I am going to sticky this thread to help others who may need it.

[mcbean]

Well blow me down i thought we had rid of that restriction rubbish, i had to change the carb tops in my ZX10 - i think thats downright restriction of human rights and against trade descriptions , lucky that not UK or US or there would be a riot - US is biggest Busa market 9000 last year i think :confused:

[Charles]

Im new here to this site and live in Germany, I am a former 2007 SE ZX-14 and have fallen in love with the new Busa. In Germany, as far as I know there are no restrictions on the HP. I was just at the dealer near where I live yesterday and its rated at 197PS. By the way, I love the site. While my ZX-14 was a great bike, I have loved the Busa from day one but bought the 14 for some reason. Either way, they are both great bikes in my opinion.

[Tybalt]

Im new here to this site and live in Germany, I am a former 2007 SE ZX-14 and have fallen in love with the new Busa. In Germany, as far as I know there are no restrictions on the HP. I was just at the dealer near where I live yesterday and its rated at 197PS. By the way, I love the site. While my ZX-14 was a great bike, I have loved the Busa from day one but bought the 14 for some reason. Either way, they are both great bikes in my opinion.
Welcome Charles to the BusaNation:cheers:

They both are great Bikes, you cant go wrong with either bike in the performance area, in the end , its a personal choice issue, great to see the bike wars are on and stronger, better then ever:thumbs up: we the consumer can only benefit from it ensuring we get a top notch product.

[Charles]

Yeah, I agree. I did a few things to my 14 as far as looks, but performance wise, I was happy. I had to sell it to get out of a bind but things are looking up, and the new Busa is on my shopping list very soon. Here is a pic of my 14 with the Tsukigi slip-ons and Powers Stuntworks drag bars with sliders.

[Tybalt]

Yeah, I agree. I did a few things to my 14 as far as looks, but performance wise, I was happy. I had to sell it to get out of a bind but things are looking up, and the new Busa is on my shopping list very soon. Here is a pic of my 14 with the Tsukigi slip-ons and Powers Stuntworks drag bars with sliders.

Welcome to the BusaNation bro:cheers: congrats, i assume your going to buy a K8 busa?, nice stable of bikes with the 14 and a GenII coming.:thumbs up:

Your 14 has some serious mods and upgrades, very nice-Duane

[mcbean]

Good looking 14 - standard colours in UK are very bland - white must have been a bitch to clean

[vic13r]

Hi guys,greetings from beautifull Greece,today i discovered your site while i was trying to find out about the restricted models from France,my friend has order one from his(unofficial suzuki-because its cheaper) dealer and he said that the bike will come from France,i saw in the french suzuki site that the 08 model come with 106 ps only,i would like to know how this restriction is eliminated?All the models are restricted?I read before about the second butterflies and the ecu,is only that?
Thanks a lot!!

[Tybalt]

Hi guys,greetings from beautifull Greece,today i discovered your site while i was trying to find out about the restricted models from France,my friend has order one from his(unofficial suzuki-because its cheaper) dealer and he said that the bike will come from France,i saw in the french suzuki site that the 08 model come with 106 ps only,i would like to know how this restriction is eliminated?All the models are restricted?I read before about the second butterflies and the ecu,is only that?
Thanks a lot!!

Welcome to the BusaNation:cheers:-Duane

[Charles]

I will take a trip today to the local Suzuki dealer here and take my camera as well. I will talk to the owner and see what he says. I am doubting all this hype about the hp. I know in Germany, it is not restircted. Why would Suzuki do this and sell a lower hp version for less that could be changed etc? Is there any proven facts on this yet?

[vic13r]

I will take a trip today to the local Suzuki dealer here and take my camera as well. I will talk to the owner and see what he says. I am doubting all this hype about the hp. I know in Germany, it is not restircted. Why would Suzuki do this and sell a lower hp version for less that could be changed etc? Is there any proven facts on this yet?
It is not a suzuki choise but a French goverment law,in France tuning or modify your vehicle is illegal.

[Claudiorf600r]

Fortunaly we don´t have that problem...busas comes with full power:rocket bike:

[shred is not dead]

I will take a trip today to the local Suzuki dealer here and take my camera as well. I will talk to the owner and see what he says. I am doubting all this hype about the hp. I know in Germany, it is not restircted. Why would Suzuki do this and sell a lower hp version for less that could be changed etc? Is there any proven facts on this yet?

there seems to be a misunderstanding:

here in belgium you can buy the busa 2 in two versions : the full power and the restricted version (78kw). Why? cause if you buy here the full power version you have to pay approx >2500,00 euro extra (read:luxury taxes)...so every one is buying the restricted version (which has no difference with the full power except that you have to cut a wire from the ecu so the sec butterflies can open fully(=which is the restiction).
Hype? No; true facts and some logic sense why no one buys here a full power...
All "big " bikes here in Belgium come in 2 versions ;restricted and full power.

France; same story but for them it is a "government" prob. For us (belgium) it is a "taxation" prob.
The busa in france and belgium are restricted the same way ; just cut or remove a wire from the ecu

check out the link: suzuki.fr and check the power

http://www.suzuki-moto.com/pages/gamme/fiche-technique.php?idmodele=160&id=9

check out pdf suzuki belgium:

http://www.suzuki2wheels.be/upload/model/pdf/218_1196429800.pdf

so here you have the proves ...

[WARputer]

Wow ! Thanks for the info Shred !

[Claudiorf600r]

Really i don´t understand why bikes came limited, too much power?!? and about cars with 500 HP not much power, come on:head meets wall:

[Kojak]

Charles is right :
I in Germany, it is not restircted - but the Speed is - that is why I am Selling smithbusas GPS.

[remish]

I'm in France, and we have the restriction, but lot of biker change their bike to full power, I have made a circuit to set to 100 or 200 HP with a simple push button.
Problem is not really cops, but more insurance : if we have accident with full bike, insurance won't help us : it can be very big problem.

[Tybalt]

I'm in France, and we have the restriction, but lot of biker change their bike to full power, I have made a circuit to set to 100 or 200 HP with a simple push button.
Problem is not really cops, but more insurance : if we have accident with full bike, insurance won't help us : it can be very big problem.

welcome to the BusaNation:cheers: thanks for your insight, it sounds pretty frustrating:head meets wall:

[remish]

Yes thank you.
Of course it sound completly stupid, in the past this law was made to prevent from speed, but now with 100 HP you can go up to 200 km/h easely.
But the law steel ... maybe with europe legislation one day it could change ...

[Kojak]

In Germany we had that 100HP Law for a long time, it started by the honda CBX - it had 105HP, they put only 100HP in the bike papers, but since then all other big Bikes you could buy were only 100HP.That stoped for about 10 years ago.
The insureance here goes only up to 100HP. It does not care if you have only 100 or - like me - 300HP in you papers, you pay the same.
We are all glad that the 100HP Law was over ....... believe me :banana:

[omlet38]

portugal full power...

[Busa_Grenaa]

I think it`s only in France, we have no restrictions in Denmark :banana: full power in Denmark

[shred is not dead]

I think it`s only in France, we have no restrictions in Denmark :banana: full power in Denmark

As explained before: restrictions in Belgium and France and in the past: germany

[A-L-E-X]

Got my GenII Hayabusa today... 197 PS @ germany :D

http://i32.tinypic.com/261p3c7.jpg

Greetz Alex

[Tybalt]

Very nice looking K8 Busa, any plans? welcome:cheers:-Duane

[Agostini]

Hi Guys!

Greetz from Finland....We have full power busas here...no limitation.
Here's my love... :cheers:

http://galleria.busanistit.org/v/Busat/ago/kuuppamodi+001.jpg.html

A.L.E.X Very nice looking and coloured K8 You have....

http://galleria.busanistit.org/v/Busat/ago/kuuppamodi+001.jpg.html

-A-

[Bike Dude]

Glad I live in a country where you can buy a street legal bike that will toast just about anything out there

[buzia]

I believe restricted bikes are only in France. In the late 90s i remember that a French politician wanted to create severe laws against motorcycle high accident rate. So he tryed to create a law for all europe that all motorcycles should have 100 hp maximum from the factory. Of course there was a major movement agaisnt this guy but he seemed to had success in France, because they still have the restriction. It afected some motorcycles also for the rest of europe, like the Honda VFR wich is an universal bike and it came with only 100 hp for all over the world. Other bikes like some BMW followed the example and produced high displacement engines with only 100 hp because nobody knew if the law would be aproved in the future for europe.

In Portugal we still have some restrictions in power, but its just for the young riders who just got their license. They have to ride a motorcycle limited to 34 hp for 2 years, then they can buy what they want. You can see here Yamaha`s R6 with 34 hp for example. After 2 years, the owner can buy a disrestricted bike or change the restriction of the current bike to full power.

But kids here mod their bikes in the first day, so there goes the restriction.:oh yeah:

Anyway, here where i live all bikes are full power, except for young riders like i described above.


I also remeber that the first Hayabusas here, in 1999, came with a speedo graduation of 340 Kmh ( about 211 Mph). But politicians started using the Hayabusa as an example of road abuse and accidents, so Suzuki took a stand and stopped advertising the bikes top speed. And in 2000 the Hayabusa came with a speedo graduation of only 280 Kmh ( about 174 Mph) to avoid stupid talk around the bike.

Even the GEN II Busa only shows the 174 Mph mark wich she can outperform any time of the day.

:cheers:

[mac30]

hey all my first time on here just joined my busa was 8500 in the uk no restrictions full power still to test the 200mph mark thou ill let you know after a run on the autobharn (no speed limits)

[eezicar]

I cant belive that! In south africa we get the UK version (full power)!!! all we do here is a simple conversion to derestrict the top end. Ive never heard of a hayabusa with 100hp. Whats the point? if i want a 100hp i'll buy the new panda:bananahump:

[mac30]

ive heard of this restriction at top end how did you get round it ? is it expensive ?:rocket bike:

[eezicar]

over here its a simple conversion, costs R70-00 about 7 dollars....
They change a transistor and a diode, i'll get the details from my tuner for you...:cheers:

[eezicar]

or even better, post a new thread and get the experts advice. on this site you'll find loads of specialists, and the good news is they always happy to help...:cheers:

[critterdoc]

buy the less one , cut the wires .......bobs your uncle
full power for 1/2 the price.
Typical Aussie response...you blokes have a SERIOUS problem with authority!

[05busablu]

GUESS YOU GUYS DONT NEED GEARS 2,3,4,5,6 THEN DO YA:rofl:

[Kamdon]

amazing.

Now, what is the TOP END restriction that I hear about. Are the Gen I's REALLY limited to 180mph?

[888hayabusa]

:roll eyes:I've got a restricted busa too from Germany..All i've done is to cut a pink wire on ECU.Then the bike was full throtled and get on dyno too...No problem ...

The restrictions taking place to Germany and Belgium too,as far as i know:thumbs up:

[1340busa]

Is that not in USA type

[IRock]

not all european busas are 100hp resticted ..


all i know is that france has te 100 ps

my euro white busa and all other busas in germany are only resticted in top speed 295 kmh but not in power ...

[wildrider350]

Very useful thread, I just bought Busa 2nd gen with a side car from France, off course i wanna full power bike. Thanks :)

[888hayabusa]

as you can see some messages before it's too easy to get it full powered...wish you nice rides with your busa

[Dutch1300]

removal of the 100hp limit is verry easy from what i read here, thanks to fester who made a nice wire diagram.

i have seen drawings on the site here.

http://www.busanation.com/forum/showthread.php?p=59720#post59720

:cheers:

[hayabusatonysnr]

All Euro and UK Busa's are restricted from the crate. I actually thought that was the case worldwide but could be wrong.
The Restriction enables the Top End 186mph to be the Max achievable.
I fitted a TRE (Timing Retard Eliminator) to mine and now have the full 190bhp from 1st gear upwards.
This is a cheap mod that is about £60 (can be cheaper but gear indicator stays in 4th)
I have owner an 03, 04 and now the 08 and TRE'd them all as what is the point in owning "The Fastest" that isn't lol Ride Safe Guys n Dolls


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[Fester]

) You can buy a 100hp Hayabusa motorcycle. or 198Hp.
2) Just get your insurance premiums converted from normal to sport.
Takes kost two to three times more money.
3) The registration fee also differed.
4) In Belgium, the maximum speed of 300km provided. for a motorcycle.


So most people buy a 100hp bike and convert to full power.
Set a Tre to the bike ( only Hayabusa ):oh yeah: for + 300