08 busa vs 08 zx-14 cycleworld mag results here

[Tybalt]

the new test by Cycle World mag with the 0-180 mph shootout, looks like the 'Busa "bitch" slaps the ZX-14 again.:cheers:

0-60
Busa 2.58
ZX14 2.62

0-100
Busa 4.99
ZX14 5.04

0-150
Busa 10.18
ZX14 10.83

0-180
Busa 18.25
ZX14 19.77

100-150
Busa 5.19
ZX14 5.79

100-180
Busa 13.26
ZX14 14.73

[Z-Faucon]

Yes. However K8 Busa compared to the zx14 K7 might be a different story. I don't have the stats but speculate the zx14 may have put out more HP?? Anyway, I'm happy w/ my Busa, and proud to ride it. :oh yeah:

[08buza]

different story with the zx-10r ...........post that !!:oh yeah:

[karl_1052]

different story with the zx-10r ...........post that !!:oh yeah:


Only after 150mph. Before that, the Busa is quicker.

[Got-Busa?]

different story with the zx-10r ...........post that !!:oh yeah:

I've thought something was up with those numbers from the beginning. Either the bike was a ringer or the equipment messed up.

1. The bike dynoed less than the GSXR1k in the test.
2. I've read every test with the new 1K's and the ZX10 has no where near that advantage over the rest of the bikes.

I could see a tenth or so but a full second 0-180 is BS IMO. I've got a couple other mags here and even the latest FASTBIKES mag only has the ZX10 0.11 quicker than the GSXR1K in the same comparison 0-180.

My own experiences with the 08 BUSA show that the liter bikes are within a few bikes to 160 but after that I pull and pull and even harder the faster we go. Past 180 it's completely ugly...

[Cali Badazz !!!]

sorry gotbusa but you are very wrong... the bike was no ringer and was only faster then the other bikes on top. you cant compare a test done in england by a diff magazine and a diff rider. the zx-10 really is that fast on top and most mags NEVER test bikes to their top speed. in this instance they make it very clear why the busa spanks all their asses in the 0-100 and 1/4 mile. it is simply heavier and longer with a beefier clutch making it easier to LAUNCH. the only advantage the busa has against the liter bikes is getting 2-3 bikes lengths at the START and keeping it. not GAINING lengths on the top end as you say. just ask justabusagirl who happens to have BOTH k8 models and she will say the same thing. now add a lil length and weight to a zx-10 and it will flat spank the crap out of a busa. you really have to read every word in the article not just the numbers. the writer does a great job of explaining what i just said. some of the bikes tested are extremly HARD to launch because of their light weight short wheelbase and clutches designed for road racing not drag racing. and it's a 3 month old story but one of the most informative tests i have ever read. everybody should check it out. your never gonna pull away from a bike that is much lighter has almost the same HP and the identical TOP SPEED. i had to read it many times to make sense of all the charts but it does make sense ...

[Loki08]

actually Falconer, I think you are correct on almost every point you make, except for the fact that if you add weight to the ZX10, you will begin to take away from its performance. Enough weight, and it will be fighting physics. Kind of like the Busa does due to its weight and profile.

But all things being equal, I wouldn't trade my Busa for any of the other bikes tested. This one fits just perfect.

[Cali Badazz !!!]

i mean weight to keep the front end down. there is a pretty big weight diff and i don't think ur gonna cut into that .. i love the hayabusa. i could ride any bike i want. i could have got a ducati 1098 but i knew it was time to experience the hayabusa. it is a true ICON. the attention i get is because i ride a busa fast not cuz i ride fast. i would be just another rider if i was on anything else. no bike i have ever seen can bridge the gap between H-D riders and sportbike riders. they almost all love the hayabusa.. but the zx-10 will pass you if you hold it to the stop long enough. however you will need clean shorts after the ride. the busa rider won't even have an elevated heartbeat.. i want to add i have held my bike to the stop in 5th and 6th gear for over 3 miles and still have not seen 180 on the gps.. they say 186 but thats very very hard to achieve that speed. they correct it for elevation etc..

[Got-Busa?]

We'll have to agree to disagree then because I've read the article numerous times and still think the numbers don't add up based on my experience/knowledge but that's just my opinion.

Not trying to start a big war or anything but a simple discussion. How is the ZX10 going to have that kind of advantage when it has similar aero, gearing, and hp that the GSXR1K has. I'm not even talking about the BUSA right now. Another liter bike with virtually the same specs doesn't run even close to the same times/speeds. That doesn't seem odd to you?

FASTBIKE Mag 1-mile test:
GSXR1K- 26.17 @ 183.22
ZX10R- 26.06 @ 185

Same bikes same day but another mag test mean nothing....?

Not to mention the weight advantage is pretty much void in a higher speed roll race when aerodynamics take over. In that aspect the BUSA walks all over the other bikes. From what I've learned the aero advantage overcomes weight past 160mph and the torque of the 14/BUSA help it to start walking away. I've yet to see a stock liter bike with equal riders on the same day pull either of the big bore bikes on the top end 150+ roll on. If we are talking basic bolt-ons, it only gets worse.

I agree with what you are saying from 0-150ish (where the liter bikes have more of a weight advantage other than the weaker clutch) but after that I've yet to see a stock liter bike that continues to pull like the BUSA or 14 on TOP END.....PERIOD!

[Cali Badazz !!!]

yeah bro i'm not arguing at all. i really respect ur opinion alot. now just to make it clear i was only talking about the bikes in article not 99-07 literbikes which we all know will not keep up for very long. the k8 gsxr is an absolute beast and it really is right in the busas hip pocket to 180mph. but because the busa has it's balls cut off it has such a small advantage over the "new" liter bikes. the cbr 1000 and r1 are easy to leave in the dust but the zx and gsxr are seriously effing fast. i have street raced a few never lost but i was like holy shit they are right here with me. most of us don't drag race to 180mph. my busa wont even go 180 mph. but the zx-10 has the sickest top end rush of all the current obtainable eight. it's also ugly as shit. but if you race one to top speed don't put any money on the line cuz you will get passed at about the 170mph mark. i know that effing sucks but it's true. of course they all chose the gixxer as their favorite at the track!! even though it lost every shootout they had..:confused:

[Got-Busa?]

I'll have to find a 08 ZX10 to run ASAP then because I've raced pretty much every type of stock liter bike (some modded) and never had a problem with any of them. About two weeks ago I raced a 07 GSXR1K with the basic bolt-ons (my 08 stock unrestricted) and was about 2-bikes ahead until 160 and then continued to pull and pull away. By 180 he said I was about 8-out still pulling. Once he hit his 186 restriction I was bus lengths ahead of him and still leaving him...

[Tybalt]

I'll have to find a 08 ZX10 to run ASAP then because I've raced pretty much every type of stock liter bike (some modded) and never had a problem with any of them. About two weeks ago I raced a 07 GSXR1K with the basic bolt-ons (my 08 stock unrestricted) and was about 2-bikes ahead until 160 and then continued to pull and pull away. By 180 he said I was about 8-out still pulling. Once he hit his 186 restriction I was bus lengths ahead of him and still leaving him...

Josh, just last night i ran one from a stand still, i smoked him up through all the gears but in all fairness he got beat by a better rider, this kid was new and could not ride it so i cant give a fair indication of how the bikes stood vs. each other?????

[Got-Busa?]

I'd just like to run one while I'm stock. Once I mod, it won't really be fair then. Oh well, it's all in fun anyway right...

[Tybalt]

I'd just like to run one while I'm stock. Once I mod, it won't really be fair then. Oh well, it's all in fun anyway right...

:cheers: yes, the best is the kid came over to me later, ran him like 3-4 times, comes over"!@#$ your hayabusa is fassttttt dude!!!":not worthy:
:oh yeah:

[2008haya]

My boy has 08 zx14 and he spanks my man on his 08 zx10r everytime even at high end roll ons . The 08 busa and zx14 can not be beat by a liter bike unless the liter has work done to it or the person the busa or 14 cant shift gears. any who say different dont know what there talking about. p.s. the 14 is fast but not as fast as the busa trust i know i 'v race them and beat them every time.

[busakid]

Personally I cant not imagine a litre bike of any type beating a busa after about 150mph, I have owned a ton of litre bikes up until last year - I do think my ZX10 (worked) would beat my K8 upto around the 150 mark purely from wieght difference and peak power output on the revs but after 150 the busa is on another league - we ride 1340cc compared to 998cc thats a good place to start - my ZX10 and my mates Gixer really dont do anything over 180 or 170(true) where as the K8 de-restricted and with a little work will do CLOSE to 200 - I have spent a lot of time on the last couple of months conversing with Brock Davidson (2nd guy to take a stock K8 to 200+ (1st was his mate Davo)) talking about what mods or what LITTLE mods it takes to get a K8 over True 200 - (I intend to find out shortly myself) unless you start doing a shit load of work to a litre bike you aint gonna come close. Now we are talking about in a straight line with plenty of room - twisties different story BUT like Falconer I have spanked many a litre bike in the past few months mainly from pure skill and balls - its what us oldies call experiance but we aint unbeatable!

If you want to have a lightwieght rocketship that handles incredible and is amazingly quick upto 150 then go a litre or if you want a great all round bike that will still blow your mind on shear grunt up the top end get a Busa OR have both like I own and enjoy both. I never thought I would own a Busa in a million years and bagged them for years calling them bloated heavy POS but after I took the K8 and have now owned one for 7months I find myself constantly amazed with the versatilty of this bike and have hardly ridden the 10 at all it really is a pleasure to ride and even better now I have done the suspension up and dropped some wieght. lowered the fromt 20mm it gets around the twisties at an amazing rate very few bikes keep up - talk about bullshit torque out of corners WOW I LOVE IT !!!!

(Sorry got carried away)
BK

[Cali Badazz !!!]

yeah i have left all liter bikes after 155 -160mph but not the new zx10. someone posted about the zx14 he must not have paid attention to the title of the post.. the zx14 is a POS.. the zx-10 is a complete animal and most "average riders won't stay in the gas or drag a lil rear brake when it wheelies and they back out but wont admit that. the zx10 ia a hard bike to ride fast even going straight. it scares every rider i have taked to yet. even on the track it has so much grunt guys are having trouble. the new bikes are in a leauge of their own. there has never b4 been bikes built this fast b4. and gotbusa the 07 you raced ..honestly is he as good as you for real? and lets not forget some mods make bikes slower on top. infact alot of pipes kill topend.

[Got-Busa?]

The 07 I raced is an equal rider and 10lbs. lighter. I'm not BS'ing, I've run them all and have yet to find a stocker that can even stay side-by-side with me...

WTF....what pipe kills top end...? :umm:

The bike has all the basic mods and still didn't beat me. We did several races with me winning every time. Even if he had the jump he would stay close and then at 160 I would go right on by...

[busakid]

Well I have a race ZX10 (05 model) and I know its faster than my Busa until 150ish - no I cant ride both at the same time but I have riden the ZX10 since 05 and its fully worked. The first time I rode the Busa I was actaully disapointed at the performance and really could not believe the lack of power until top end.
Yes Falc totally agree and I havnt even ridden an 08 yet but going on what I know I agree. Most riders wont ride the 10 near the limits cos they are an animal - I freaked out so many guys before I took mine off the road and went completly race - I used to wheel spin out of corners doing a wheelie dirt bike style the same time - now I wheel spin out of turns on the track trying to keep the front down, still rekon the Busa leaves the 10 at top end but in saying that my 10 is geared down for the track.

[Cali Badazz !!!]

got busa lets clear the air ok..i'm not calling you or anyone a liar. i believe you i just ask questions to help find answers. now for pipes that kill top end i dont have all day but here is a couple pipes for the k8 busa that give up topend for low and mid. FMF VANCE&HINES KR BOZ BROS VOO DOO ETC.. do slip ons count cuz that makes the list like a mile long. only a few reputable companies dyno test for true performane we know who they are and we buy their products..like brocks and yosh. btw do you think i gave up any performance with my R77 over the stock pipes on the dyno. do you think my R77 improved HP everywhere? come on dude im surprised you are resisting on the pipe thing. i assumed you spent alot of time around a dyno. a good friend has one in his garage so i see alot of runs that show a LOSS not a gain in HP and topend. imagine spending your $ on a KR pipe to lose 1HP..infact in 10 yrs i have never seen ANY pipe that made a hp claim come even close except brocks. they are just too loud so i passed. the k8 gsxr has the same topspeed as the k8 busa give me the 1000 and i'll beat most busa riders to 150 all day. thats a "normal" drag race. i have never and will never race anybody to topspeed on the street.

[Got-Busa?]

got busa lets clear the air ok..i'm not calling you or anyone a liar. i believe you i just ask questions to help find answers. now for pipes that kill top end i dont have all day but here is a couple pipes for the k8 busa that give up topend for low and mid. FMF VANCE&HINES KR BOZ BROS VOO DOO ETC.. do slip ons count cuz that makes the list like a mile long. only a few reputable companies dyno test for true performane we know who they are and we buy their products..like brocks and yosh. btw do you think i gave up any performance with my R77 over the stock pipes on the dyno. do you think my R77 improved HP everywhere? come on dude im surprised you are resisting on the pipe thing. i assumed you spent alot of time around a dyno. a good friend has one in his garage so i see alot of runs that show a LOSS not a gain in HP and topend. imagine spending your $ on a KR pipe to lose 1HP..infact in 10 yrs i have never seen ANY pipe that made a hp claim come even close except brocks. they are just too loud so i passed. the k8 gsxr has the same topspeed as the k8 busa give me the 1000 and i'll beat most busa riders to 150 all day. thats a "normal" drag race. i have never and will never race anybody to topspeed on the street.

I have NEVER seen an after market full system pipe kill top end over an OEM system before NEVER! They may not make the most peak power (based on another aftermarket system) but probably 99% are an improvement over OEM stock where it counts or through out the power curve (dyno or street). How that kills top end power over OEM stock is beyond me... :umm:

Of course some pipes you will lose low end power but when is the last time you raced 0 - 3,000 RPM's...? If you are saying that hurts you in a race below 4,000RPM; I'm not going to bother replying back to you about any racing topic...

So let me get this straight, a stock 08 BUSA -vs- any liter bike with one of the pipes or slip-ons you listed is going to be slower than if it were stock...? That's what it sounds like you are saying....

[Cali Badazz !!!]

bro i never tried to discredit anything you said or make any assumptions about your riding ability or racing backround. i have "seen" more then one pipe get installed and lose PEAK HP. if that makes it clearer. i also have seen tuners fudge the #'s cuz the parts they sold didnt produce hardly anymore PEAK HP then stock. so thats what i was getting at i have SEEN more then one pipe make a bike fall on it's face on the topend. i cant say your wrong cuz you never experienced this yourself. i was simply suggesting that a lightly modded bike could actually be at a disadvantage over the stock version when racing against you. i NEVER said that was the case i just said keep that in mind. more then one mod i have done to my bikes over the years killed topend drive but improved the low and mid so much it was worth it. when i said topend i meant top gear wide open to top speed. not the lowend power in the lower gears. so if you dont want to reply thats ok with me. i went out of my way not to offend you. remember you didnt believe the #'s from the most sophisticated time keeping equiptment made why should you take my word.? i'm not trying to convince you of anything but your beating the new zx-10 and the new gsxr 1000 to 150 cuz your a better rider not cuz you have a faster bike...you don't. peace..

[Got-Busa?]

:rofl: Okay, good day...