08 killer pumpkin turbo build/install

[devils advocate]

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[devils advocate]

more pics to follow.............hopefully tomorrow.:cheers:

[Tybalt]

DAM, NO popcorn emoticon! lol, I am scalping tickets for this thread, Standing room only!!!, Nice Job, A turbo install on an 08 Hayabusa from the RCC Turbos Crew:not worthy:

[superbusa]

how many miles on this bike before you started this install??

[One Fast Busa]

Is everthing on the 08 motor interchangable with the older busa?

[devils advocate]

it is richards bike . i put about $5 of gas (94) in it and he ran it on the dyno.......brand new!!!
i think he did 3 pulls.
so i would have to say , less than 5 miles on it and it was stripped down.
i can't remember exactly what it dynoed , but i know it was mid 170's. :oh yeah:
also richards dyno reads lower than most , so that was quite impressive.
some parts are away getting machined which takes time.
some parts fit , others are close.
more pics and details to follow.


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[superbusa]

out of all the dynos ive seen or heard about, they all read low but the one that was brand new, then people that heard #'s from it said it sounded low lol.

[devils advocate]

i will download the dyno chart tomorrow and post.....................i'm at home. sorry.

[Tybalt]

Details? what are you RCC Turbo guys gunning for in HP #'s and plans for this bike?

[NitrousJunkie]

Which stage? Street? track? Both?

[TrickTom1]

keep the pics coming:cheers:

[devils advocate]

we have to "mock-up" every stage of kit we make.
stage 1 and intercooled (stage 2) , street / strip , full race and the 40R kit.
the 40r kits make mid 600 and won the dyno shootout in daytona last year.
i would take a wild guess and say more hp for all the kits.
i will post dyno charts when we get them.................i won't guess exact numbers .:thumbs up:

[adamnflorida]

that is going to be sweet!!! :oh yeah:

[devils advocate]

couple of pics of the different airbox styles available. ultra billet boxes are in the works.
i forgot to get the dyno chart............maybe tomorrow.
maybe i'll hang a stg 1 turbo and header on it also

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[busa2001]

any more pic.:cheers:

[devils advocate]

never went into work today..................going in sunday morning. :thumbs up:

[devils advocate]

stg 1 header

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i would have mounted the turbo , but the only one available was clocked and mounted for a gen 1 intercooled bus. not the same.
early next week for sure.
1062 views as of 8:45 am. pretty popular thread.
:cheers:

[Lonnie Angel]

When the bike is done as a moch (sp?) up bike it will be a 600hp street bike:cheers:

[devils advocate]

sneek-peek mocked-up race setup. (ceramic coated header)

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:cheers:

[nickelcityracing]

nice work guys....

[devils advocate]

thanks you 2 .
so is a gen 1 busa or a gen 2 busa coming up for a 40R kit?
:oh yeah:

[devils advocate]

stock 2008 busa dyno chart.

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and by comparison gen 1 busa 40r dyno chart.

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[Tybalt]

Nice chart dynorun on the stock 08 GenII:thumbs up: so your Ultra 40R kit on the KillerPumpkin 08 should be around 630+ HP?-Duane

[TrickTom1]

how much boost?

[devils advocate]

Nice chart dynorun on the stock 08 GenII:thumbs up: so your Ultra 40R kit on the KillerPumpkin 08 should be around 630+ HP?-Duane

i am not going to speculate the exact hp , but i would assume more.
we have made 648 with a 40r on a gen 1 . i will find out the exact amount of boost the 40r was making to do that run.


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[devils advocate]

sorry , no fairings............later this weekend.

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[nickelcityracing]

thanks you 2 .
so is a gen 1 busa or a gen 2 busa coming up for a 40R kit?
:oh yeah:
no sure yet Mike...you will be the second to know..LOL..

[devils advocate]

we are just finishing up the little stuff today.
if all goes well it will be on the dyno late tonite/early tomorrow.
low boost only , head work is not done yet.

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[Tybalt]

You think maybe you guys could video tape it ?:oh yeah::not worthy:

[devils advocate]

i am @ home right now .
i will see what we can do tomorrow.:oh yeah:

[devils advocate]

4 psi wastegate spring (only shows 3.5 psi !!!!!!!!!!!!)

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[devils advocate]

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[_WOLFMAN_]

Looking awesome, going to make some big power when you upgrade the boost, great looking entry level curve.

[devils advocate]

yes , 45 hp with not quite 4 psi will be a good improvement for a stg 1 kit. too bad the comp is so hi to begin with.
my gixxer made 180 hp with 4 psi , up from 140 stock and it was nite and day difference.
mind you 8psi is like 2 days and 3 nites........... you get the idea.
early next year , the head and engine work will be complete and the psi can be turned up.
:oh yeah:

[Got-Busa?]

Have you guys tried one of the new HTA35R Turbo's yet....?

I've seen some amazing results on cars, just wondering if anyone has slapped one on a BUSA yet?

[ORANGEBLK08BUSA]

I see you've eliminated pair valve w/block off plates .....was that for better/accurate A/f measurements?

question.... would using je lower compression turbo pistons or space plate and stronger valve springs eliminate problems running 8psi safely or would head still need /require work?

[devils advocate]

either way of lowering the comp is ok. for a bullet-proof setup , je pistons , ss valves , cometic head gasket and stronger valve springs would be a good start. rods and a base spacer also , depending on your desired hp level.

[ORANGEBLK08BUSA]

Thanks!

I want safe 300-320hp daily rider / drag bike.

would 8-10psi Stage 1 get me close with mention'd upgrades and head studs ?..... Minus rods.

[FLASHRACER]

I Am Keeping Up With This Thread For Updates For The 08. I Too Want A Bulletproof 400+hp Motor. But I Beleive I Would Want A Stage Ii Setup With More Programs And Better Fuel Delivery.

[devils advocate]

Thanks!

I want safe 300-320hp daily rider / drag bike.

would 8-10psi Stage 1 get me close with mention'd upgrades and head studs ?..... Minus rods.

yes it should get you close........... killer pumpkin engine is getting necessary mods and then back on the dyno for higher boost levels. then dyno charts to follow. after 7 or 8 psi we advise customers to go with secondaries (injectors)........it is safer for higher levels of boost. we will probably post dyno charts of "safe" max psi without secondaries , and then with . and a list of all internal mods.
people DO push the stage 1 kits higher ( on gen 1 bikes) but it becomes a game of russian roulette...........not a matter of "if" , but "when" KABOOM .:head meets wall:

[ORANGEBLK08BUSA]

I appreciate all the info....:thumbs up:
Will order for my kit soon and wish get all bases cover'd for safe 8-10psi

I will be doin some of the labor intially to lessen blow on wallet/bank account,
by removing and re-instaling engine and installing kit .
then tuning at OE. Goodguys they have been around a long time and dealt with them on my other bikes (mostly N20) this will be my first Turbo'd bike
I will have Joe hahn and the guys at Orient Express do the engine work ....pistons,spacer,valve springs.....Could i get away with using stock vavles? or would they need to go for 10#?


Thanks

How much longer for kits to be available?

[devils advocate]

i would swap out the stainless valves when you have the engine apart..........better safe than sorry.
they "might" be good for 10 psi , but do you really want the guy to find out they are not? i told a guy on the phone yesterday that if i won the lottery i would buy the bike and turn up the boost till the point of failure...........unfortunately i have not won yet. then we would know for sure. i would over build the engine , so later when 10 psi seems slow all you have to do is (upgrade fuel system) turn up the boost. cheaper in the long run , 1 teardown vs 2 .
we are modding the engine and will post dyno charts @ various boost levels soon.
the turbo on the stage 1 is good for 400hp , the only thing holding it back is the engine internals and fuel system ( + intercooling @ higher boost levels )
e-mail richard next week for a concrete delivery date. :cheers:

[ORANGEBLK08BUSA]

Again.......Big Thanks!

[mrturbo1300r]

sheesh! what is this guy on vacation ? come on goat boy i need a plenum and some other crap. lol

[devils advocate]

sorry guys for the delay on updates and more pics.
tranny is expected back and in a couple weeks as well as the head.
terribly busy doing gen1 kits lately.
pics as soon as i get them.
:oh yeah:

[ORANGEBLK08BUSA]

:popcorn:

[Tybalt]

:popcorn:
+1:popcorn2::popcorn2:

[Skomansteve]

sorry guys for the delay on updates and more pics.
tranny is expected back and in a couple weeks as well as the head.
terribly busy doing gen1 kits lately.
pics as soon as i get them.
:oh yeah:


:tumbleweed:

[devils advocate]

i almost forgot to mention , 08 kits are available for sale .:cheers:
contact richard for pricing.

[Shamrock]

:bbq:

[Cheesy]

Mmmmmmm.......Pumpkin !!!

Looking good guy's :cheers:

[SCK 1K]

any new updates

[devils advocate]

sorry for the delay guys........still waiting on rods.
might still be a week till the pumpkin runs again.
also been very busy at the shop.

[RagenBusa08]

Have you guys tried ditching the intercooler on race setups and running meth injection or running intercoolers with meth injection?

[cb2004mj]

also you guys may want to look at Cry02, you could use it for race apps. to cool the intake, fuel and cooler and get some crazy numbers there too, runs just like nitro as far as tank, lines, sylinoids, etc. so it would be easy to hook up. just my 2 cents. used it on my skyline when i was in germany and i got almost a 45% decrease in enigine temps and i was able to run 12psi more!!! it was awesome ive even heard of people getting 60% better temps.

[devils advocate]

sorry for the extended delay , but the pumpkin finally made it back on the dyno.
it was late in the day when we actually had a chance to dyno and tune.
richard wants to tune it to perfection so we will post updated dyno charts monday.


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:cheers:

[Tybalt]

:banana::banana::banana::banana:
:not worthy::cheers:

atta boys RCC

[TrickTom1]

:rocket bike:

[busakid]

Looks absolutly sweet!

(cept for the colour but I think you all know by now my opinion on that heh heh)

Envious!
BK

[BusaGTP]

:popcorn2: I can't wait til monday...

[devils advocate]

monday , after work to be more precise...........sorry.
i'll post what i have then.
:oh yeah:

[devils advocate]

once again , sorry for the delay.
testing is all done on a very low comp , low mile ( 50 ) 08 busa.
rods/low comp pistons/headgasket/base spacer/ss valves/valve springs etc.
way overkill for a stage 1

8psi
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comp ratio is around 9.0 to 1 . it was built to see 35+ psi.
it will eventually have a 40R ultra kit on it. more dyno charts to follow.
next kit will be a stage 2 .:cheers:

[Falconer]

:surprise:......holy shit!! nice job!!! that is some serious HP..i have never ridden a turbo bike. i have a turbo superduty. it makes 36 pounds of boost. one day when i win the lottery i want a turbo busa and a turbo porshe...

[devils advocate]

thanks , but we are not done yet.
the plan is to run a stage 1 until the stock injectors run out of fuel.
then onto the stage 2.:oh yeah:

[busakid]

Way cool - impressed .... gotta have a crack at a turbo one day mmmm

[devils advocate]

9psi chart
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10 psi chart
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11 psi chart

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all testing was done with pump gas , 91 octane (aprox)
:cheers:

[Tybalt]

:not worthy::oh yeah: DAM!!!!! wow congrats RCC, thats insane:surprise:

[devils advocate]

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[TrickTom1]

nice work guys:cheers:

[BusaGTP]

very nice, I have a buddy that wants to put a turbo on his bike, he was considering the Ghetto kit, but I have to forward this to him because them are some amazing numbers. I can't wait.:banana:

[Skaba]

Cool pics, keep em coming!

Just one question for you, im looking at putting a turbo busa motor in a dune buggy and i need to know how much further the turbo sticks out in front of the stock exhaust header (towards the front wheel)? This will depend how far back the motor has to be moved, obviously it will depend on turbo size.

Thanks!

[devils advocate]

we also make custom headers for dune buggy / sand rails with a busa or gixxer engine.
generally speaking 6 to 7 inches depending on the turbo.

[Skaba]

Great, thanks for that! You dont have a pic or link to the header you're talking about do you? I may be interested.

[eezicar]

Hi guys a new member here. watching this build intently, but a few questions here, im in the process of building a k8 busa turbo ( low power by all your standards, Im looking for about 360-400 whp) The reason behind this is a cost factor and usebillity factor, i ride everyday... Now this is where the problem is, i live in South Africa and the average summer temp where i live is about 38-42 degree's well over 100-110 farhenheit for you guys. Ive been told by some that i should install an intercooler, and by others that i should'nt need one even with the heat because of the "low horse power".... What do you boys think and where the hell can i put it.... Regards

[eezicar]

:head meets wall:Hi guys a new member here. watching this build intently, but a few questions here, im in the process of building a k8 busa turbo ( low power by all your standards, Im looking for about 360-400 whp) The reason behind this is a cost factor and usebillity factor, i ride everyday... Now this is where the problem is, i live in South Africa and the average summer temp where i live is about 38-42 degree's well over 100-110 farhenheit for you guys. Ive been told by some that i should install an intercooler, and by others that i should'nt need one even with the heat because of the "low horse power".... What do you boys think and where the hell can i put it.... Regards

[rccturbos]

360-400hp will require around 24 psi, so I would not consider it low hp, and beleive me you will make a lot of heat starting with ambient air at 38 degrees C. and compressing it to 24 psi. You will need to run race fuel and some form of intercooling, or water injection. Stay tuned for pics of our Ultra kit with a billet liq/air plenum.

Richard

[hayabusa turbo 2000]

looks very good ,what turbo is it ,garrett gt40? i need a header can you make one to me?

[eezicar]

360-400hp will require around 24 psi, so I would not consider it low hp, and beleive me you will make a lot of heat starting with ambient air at 38 degrees C. and compressing it to 24 psi. You will need to run race fuel and some form of intercooling, or water injection. Stay tuned for pics of our Ultra kit with a billet liq/air plenum.

Richard


Thanks Richard, but this is the problem, over here the guys are telling me that there is no space for the intercooler on the gen2 busa. What worries me is that the guys here are in-experianced and prehaps they dont have a clue... They are all talking about an additional oil cooler and a bigger raidiator, Will any of this help.... Regards Mark

[I8AZX14]

holy crap that is some serious power!!!! a stock gen II is pretty impressive. I can only imagine what that feels like to ride. to much money to talk the wife into saying yes to.(at least right now) haha!!!!!!

[Hattat]

360-400hp will require around 24 psi, so I would not consider it low hp, and beleive me you will make a lot of heat starting with ambient air at 38 degrees C. and compressing it to 24 psi. You will need to run race fuel and some form of intercooling, or water injection. Stay tuned for pics of our Ultra kit with a billet liq/air plenum.

Richard


Hey Richard, I know the billet plenum but what is liquid/air plenum. By the way I`m very happy with my stg II. No problems at all. 225 rwhp @6 psi with red spring.

A question, when the engine is hot the afr reads 12.8 on idle. On boost it reads 11.5-12.0. Do you think its rich? Also when I first run the engine I smell fuel and I can see fuel coming from the pipe.

By the way, thanks for this great kit.

[george henry]

Decision , decision what to do . I guess I just have to call RCC and order a setup stage I for 2008 busa orange /black nickname KILLER PUMPKIN, I will be happy with around 260 hp at 9 psi.

[rccturbos]

looks very good ,what turbo is it ,garrett gt40? i need a header can you make one to me?

Yes we make headers for the twin entry 40R turbos, pricing is $2000 and includes wastegate piping for a 44mm Tial wastegate.

Richard

[rccturbos]

Thanks Richard, but this is the problem, over here the guys are telling me that there is no space for the intercooler on the gen2 busa. What worries me is that the guys here are in-experianced and prehaps they dont have a clue... They are all talking about an additional oil cooler and a bigger raidiator, Will any of this help.... Regards Mark

Wow!!!! Well without saying who knows what, I personaly know that the air/air intercooler we use fits perfect, and that the heat exchanger for our liq/air setup fits fine as well.

I would not waste any time installing an additional oil cooler or a bigger radiator. Sounds like someone is guessing??

Richard

[rccturbos]

Hey Richard, I know the billet plenum but what is liquid/air plenum. By the way I`m very happy with my stg II. No problems at all. 225 rwhp @6 psi with red spring.

A question, when the engine is hot the afr reads 12.8 on idle. On boost it reads 11.5-12.0. Do you think its rich? Also when I first run the engine I smell fuel and I can see fuel coming from the pipe.

By the way, thanks for this great kit.

It might be slightly rich at idle, but under boost we like to see the turbo bikes run around 11.8:1 air/fuel, so it sounds like your is running correctly. But you should not see any fuel coming from the pipe at anytime?

Richard

[eezicar]

Thanks for the advice Richard, tell me what does the intercooler/ heat exchanger cost in US$ including shipping to south africa. also where on the bike is this installed?
My guy keeps insisting there isnt any space. Now everybody else reading this please dont take offence but this is the only way i can explain myself, in the images you will see another bike i have, its a honda blackbird turbo pushing 310hp on the back wheel, note that the headlight has been removed and an intercooler fitted behind black mesh to blend in with the bikes design, what you cant see though on these photo's is that the old air ducts under the "old" head lamp are now the new lights so the bike is still road legel over here. Now thats what i need to understand, would you put the intercooler in the same place, cause to be honest i would prefer not to desecrate an 08 busa like that please advise, Regards Mark...

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[eezicar]

shit and here's another thing, do i need to upgrade the brakes? or should they hold????? all my other turbo bikes, ive always upgraded the brakes... what to do??? thats the problem with mod's to bikes they never stop....:head meets wall::rant::head meets wall:

[FLASHRACER]

Richard, are the stage 2 systems available for the 08 busa yet? I am looking at 400 + hp. Are you producing a billet fuel rail for them? Wasn't sure if you could. Also can the stage 2 come with the gt30r turbo?

[rccturbos]

Thanks for the advice Richard, tell me what does the intercooler/ heat exchanger cost in US$ including shipping to south africa. also where on the bike is this installed?
My guy keeps insisting there isnt any space. Now everybody else reading this please dont take offence but this is the only way i can explain myself, in the images you will see another bike i have, its a honda blackbird turbo pushing 310hp on the back wheel, note that the headlight has been removed and an intercooler fitted behind black mesh to blend in with the bikes design, what you cant see though on these photo's is that the old air ducts under the "old" head lamp are now the new lights so the bike is still road legel over here. Now thats what i need to understand, would you put the intercooler in the same place, cause to be honest i would prefer not to desecrate an 08 busa like that please advise, Regards Mark...

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The air/air intercooler hangs in fron of the factory radiator, you do not have to maodify much of anything, we use an intercooler that is curved and fits the factory rad. The heat exchanger for the Ultra systems is the same deal it hangs in front of the factory rad,

Richard

[rccturbos]

Richard, are the stage 2 systems available for the 08 busa yet? I am looking at 400 + hp. Are you producing a billet fuel rail for them? Wasn't sure if you could. Also can the stage 2 come with the gt30r turbo?

Yes we have all the turbo systems available for the 2008, and yes we also have a billet fuel rail for the stock injectors. Could build a custom for the 30R but the price would go up, you would be further ahead to get the street/strip kit with the 35R, or we could substitute the 35R for the 30R on the street/strip kit as they are very similar in sizing

Richard

[V8Pinto]

That's funny - I've caught myself saying the same thing. hahaha had a little laugh at myself.

out of all the dynos ive seen or heard about, they all read low but the one that was brand new, then people that heard #'s from it said it sounded low lol.

[eezicar]

thanks richard would you be able to supply the intercooler and whats the damage gonna be?????????

[rccturbos]

thanks richard would you be able to supply the intercooler and whats the damage gonna be?????????

Swayed air/air intercooler is $1200 US plus the shipping,

Richard