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Tybalt
02-28-2008, 08:18 AM
Interesting read to break-in your new Busa: RUN IT HARD!:surprise:

OK:banana:


http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

Some excerpts:
What's The Best Way To Break-In A New Engine ??
The Short Answer: Run it Hard !

Why ??
Nowadays, the piston ring seal is really what the break in process is all about. Contrary to popular belief, piston rings don't seal the combustion pressure by spring tension. Ring tension is necessary only to "scrape" the oil to prevent it from entering the combustion chamber.

If you think about it, the ring exerts maybe 5-10 lbs of spring tension against the cylinder wall ...
How can such a small amount of spring tension seal against thousands of
PSI (Pounds Per Square Inch) of combustion pressure ??
Of course it can't.

How Do Rings Seal Against Tremendous Combustion Pressure ??

From the actual gas pressure itself !! It passes over the top of the ring, and gets behind it to force it outward against the cylinder wall. The problem is that new rings are far from perfect and they must be worn in quite a bit in order to completely seal all the way around the bore. If the gas pressure is strong enough during the engine's first miles of operation (open that throttle !!!), then the entire ring will wear into
the cylinder surface, to seal the combustion pressure as well as possible.


The Problem With "Easy Break In" ...
The honed crosshatch pattern in the cylinder bore acts like a file to allow the rings to wear. The rings quickly wear down the "peaks" of this roughness, regardless of how hard the engine is run.

There's a very small window of opportunity to get the rings to seal really well ... the first 20 miles !!

If the rings aren't forced against the walls soon enough, they'll use up the roughness before they fully seat. Once that happens there is no solution but to re hone the cylinders, install new rings and start over again.

Fortunately, most new sportbike owners can't resist the urge to "open it up" once or twice,
which is why more engines don't have this problem !!

An additional factor that you may not have realized, is that the person at the dealership who set up your bike probably blasted your brand new bike pretty hard on the "test run". So, without realizing it, that adrenaline crazed set - up mechanic actually did you a huge favor !!


Here's How To Do It:
There are 3 ways you can break in an engine:

1) on a dyno
2) on the street, or off road (Motocross or Snowmobile.)
3) on the racetrack

On a Dyno:
Warm the engine up
completely !!

Then, using 4th gear:

Do Three 1/2 Throttle dyno runs from
40% - 60% of your engine's max rpm
Let it Cool Down For About 15 Minutes

Do Three 3/4 Throttle dyno runs from
40% - 80% of your engine's max rpm
Let it Cool Down For About 15 Minutes

Do Three Full Throttle dyno runs from
30% - 100% of your engine's max rpm
Let it Cool Down For About 15 Minutes
Go For It !!

Frequently asked Question:

What's a dyno ??

A dyno is a machine in which the bike is strapped on and power is measured.

It can also be used to break in an engine.

NOTE: If you use a dyno with a brake, it's critical during break - in that you allow the engine to decelerate fully on it's own. (Don't use the dyno brake.) The engine vacuum created during closed throttle deceleration sucks the excess oil and metal off the cylinder walls.

The point of this is to remove the very small (micro) particles of ring and cylinder material which are part of the normal wear during this process. During deceleration, the particles suspended in the oil blow out the exhaust, rather than accumulating in the ring grooves between
the piston and rings. This keeps the rings from wearing too much.

You'll notice that at first the engine "smokes" on decel, this is normal, as the rings haven't sealed yet. When you're doing it right, you'll notice that the smoke goes away after about 7-8 runs.


Important Note:
Many readers have e-mailed to ask about the cool down, and if it
means "heat cycling" the engine.

No, the above "cool down" instructions only apply if you are using a dyno machine to break in your engine. The reason for cool down on a dyno has nothing to do with
"Heat Cycles" !!!

Cool Down on a dyno is important since the cooling fans used at most dyno facilities are too small to equal the amount of air coming into the radiator at actual riding speeds. On a dyno, the water temperature will become high enough to cause it to boil out of the radiator after
about 4 dyno runs. This will happen to a brand new engine just as it will
happen to a very old engine.

(Always allow the engine to cool down after 3 runs whenever you use a dyno.)

If you're breaking your engine in on the street or racetrack, the high speed incoming air will keep the engine temperature in the normal range.
(In other words, you don't have to stop by the side of the road to let your bike cool down.)

What about "heat cycling" the engine ??
There is no need to "heat cycle" a new engine. The term "heat cycle" comes from the idea that the new engine components are being "heat treated" as the engine is run. Heat treating the metal parts is a very different process, and it's already done at the factory before the engines are assembled. The temperatures required for heat treating are much higher than an engine will ever reach during operation.

The idea of breaking the engine in using "heat cycles" is a myth that came from the misunderstanding of the concept of "heat treating".

On the Street:
Warm the engine up completely:
Because of the wind resistance, you don't need to use higher gears like you would on a dyno machine. The main thing is to load the engine by opening the throttle hard in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear.

Realistically, you won't be able to do full throttle runs even in 2nd gear on most bikes without exceeding 65 mph / 104 kph. The best method is to alternate between short bursts of hard acceleration and deceleration. You don't have to go over 65 mph / 104 kph to properly load the rings. Also, make sure that you're not being followed by another bike or car when you decelerate, most drivers won't expect that you'll suddenly slow down, and we don't want
anyone to get hit from behind !!

The biggest problem with breaking your engine in on the street (besides police) is if you ride the bike on the freeway (too little throttle = not enough pressure on the rings) or if you get stuck in slow city traffic. For the first 200 miles or so, get out into the country where you can vary the speed more
and run it through the gears !

Be Safe On The Street !
Watch your speed ! When you're not used to the handling of a new vehicle, you should accelerate only on the straightaways, then slow down extra early for the turns. Remember that both hard acceleration and hard engine braking (deceleration) are equally important during the break in process.

On the Racetrack:
Warm the engine up completely:
Do one easy lap to warm up your tires. Pit, turn off the bike & check for leaks or
any safety problems. Take a normal 15 minute practice session
and check the water temperature occasionally. The racetrack is the perfect environment to break in an engine !! The combination of acceleration and deceleration is just the ticket for sealing the rings.
Go For It !!

Yeah - But ...
the owner's manual says to break it in easy ...

Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".

The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....

Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."

Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.

The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???

This is a good question ...

Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to:
Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!

Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!

Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!

Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!

What are your thoughts? agree/disagree? listen to your factory owners manual?

1WildTurkey
02-28-2008, 08:47 AM
This is just my 2 cents...

I just bought my K8 Feb. 6th. I have followed the owners manual recomendations as follows - 5500 rpm's and below for the first 500 miles, 8000 rpm's and below from 500 miles to 1000 miles, after 1000 miles you can take it to the redline 11000rpm's.

I stayed below 5500 rpm's for the first 500 miles, but I didn't baby it up to 5500 rpm's, I gased it all the way and just let off at the 5500 rpm mark. I almost have 1000 miles on the bike now and am really looking forward to going past 8000 rpm's.

In other words, I have ridden the SH*T out of it, but stayed within the RPM recomendations. I did my first service @ 600miles (Oil and Filter change) and the Oil looked good. I am going to do one more oil change (Oil only) @ 1500miles then switch over to synthetic @ 3000 miles and do Oil and Filter changes every 3000 miles after that.

I am no expert and I have heard atleast 10 different break-in routines. To tell you the truth I think they all work. I don't know anyone with a K8 that has had any trouble what so ever, no matter how they broke it in.

Josh

SCI-MCC
02-29-2008, 02:28 PM
I too have heard a lot of different methods of running a bike in.I have heard
a lot of guys say that the bike's engine is all most run in from the minute you get it,
as it's bench run for hours and tested extensively.
I lot of the road racers here are very hard on the engine from the minute
they get it but there only interested in bhp,I wonder what effect
this has on the life of the engine?
I'm personally keeping the bike pretty much below 6000 rpm all the time
and reving it right out once in a while.Once I get my first service I'll step
things up.I've done this with all my 4 stroke machines and never had
any trouble,some engine I've put 60,000 miles on.

Just my 2p's worth.

adamnflorida
02-29-2008, 05:38 PM
interesting...:smoke:

Skomansteve
02-29-2008, 05:53 PM
I too have heard a lot of different methods of running a bike in.I have heard
a lot of guys say that the bike's engine is all most run in from the minute you get it,
as it's bench run for hours and tested extensively.
I lot of the road racers here are very hard on the engine from the minute
they get it but there only interested in bhp,I wonder what effect
this has on the life of the engine?
I'm personally keeping the bike pretty much below 6000 rpm all the time
and reving it right out once in a while.Once I get my first service I'll step
things up.I've done this with all my 4 stroke machines and never had
any trouble,some engine I've put 60,000 miles on.

Just my 2p's worth.

To be honest, I think if you are going to keep the bike for 10 years and you want the best fuel economy, lack of oil use and long term engine life, run it in as the manufacturer says. If you want outright performance and aren't bothered about the engine's later life, thrash the knickers off it from the start as suggested.............difficult subject as there are so many variables.........

s-r racing
02-29-2008, 08:51 PM
treat it with respect for the first 800-1000 miles,change the oil/filter. Then bone it like you own it $0.02

1WildTurkey
03-03-2008, 07:30 AM
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/1Wildturkey/02-29-08_1643.jpg

That is 1000 miles fella's, the break-in is over, and DAMN is she fast!!!!!!!!!!!

I had been holding her below the 8000RPM mark, well let me tell ya, she will damn near pull your hands off the grips past 8000RPM's.

I LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbs up:

What did the Snail say when he hitched a ride on the Turtle's back???

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! !!!!!!!! :banana:

WARputer
03-03-2008, 07:50 AM
:cheers: Josh ! Don't enjoy her too much ! "The Man" is out there waiting. :oh yeah:

1WildTurkey
03-03-2008, 08:32 AM
:cheers: Josh ! Don't enjoy her too much ! "The Man" is out there waiting. :oh yeah:


Bro, I was "The Man" for almost 10 years, I never even bothered going after a bike that was going over 75mph. By the time spun her around they would be History.

I did have a State Trooper pull up next to me last week at a stop light in his brand new Dodge Charger Patrol Car. He gave me a little nod like, go ahead and try me. I wanted to smoke him so bad, but i just did the speed limit until he got bored with following me.



They'll just have to catch me, My Busa is like Crack... ...I"m addicted!!!:oh yeah:

WARputer
03-03-2008, 09:43 AM
They'll just have to catch me, My Busa is like Crack... ...I"m addicted!!!:oh yeah:

Oh...I would NEVER do that ......:whistling::whistling:

Skomansteve
03-03-2008, 03:12 PM
Oh...I would NEVER do that ......:whistling::whistling:

I did yesterday - 'not with the man' but some dude in a hot Honda thought he'd try it on.......Well, I just couldn't resist it, it would have been rude not to!!:oh yeah: (There was no other traffic around and I was within speed limits......... honest officer...:whistling:)......Fuuuuuuck it's quick.........:surprise:

WARputer
03-03-2008, 05:11 PM
I did yesterday - 'not with the man' but some dude in a hot Honda thought he'd try it on.......Well, I just couldn't resist it, it would have been rude not to!!:oh yeah: (There was no other traffic around and I was within speed limits......... honest officer...:whistling:)......Fuuuuuuck it's quick.........:surprise:


:oh yeah: :ozzy_head_bang:

Phoenix95
04-06-2008, 01:15 AM
i broke my 07 in as recommended. I changed the oil at 860 miles, adding a K&N oil filter and Mobile 1 full synthetic. At $14.60 a quart + Filter + Laybor= $116.00

I need to get a shop manual.

Pinky
04-13-2008, 09:52 AM
ive almost always done a 3 heat cycle break in
on any rebuild or new bike ive owned

this seats the rings then let her rip

ive built quite a few motors too

Tex & Bundy
04-14-2008, 07:01 AM
My 2c worth; I agree with mototuneusa. I have ran in many new bikes on my Dyno in the same manner as described and plenty of race engines the same way. Only the other day my Apprentice asked me to run in his new K8 1000 in this way. With a little over 100klms on it & after an oil change it punched out 166.9hp, that's healthy HP from a stock 1000. In comparison to say a K41000 with extractors & a PC111 punching around 145/150hp. I have ran in a K8 'Busa as well, however the bike was slightly modified with big bore Hindle headers, pc111 etc, it punched a very healthy 196hp. When my K8 arrives it will also be run in, in this way. I will be wanting reliability and high mileage from this bike. I average around 60,000klms (37,000miles) per year.
Forget the first engine oil change at 1000klms (600miles) If it is run in on the dyno, we change the oil after the final run then again at 1000klms. I change engine oil as close to every 3000klms as possible on my road bikes and after every race meeting(day) on our race bikes. It is cheap insurance. Many of the road bikes that we have run in this way are now up around 30000/50000klms (18/30000miles) No problems, good compressions, hp still within spec' etc.
Run it hard but don't thrash it, it's a fine line, but it makes a big difference.:oh yeah:

Cheers,
Tex & Bundy

mac30
12-15-2008, 03:35 AM
My 2c worth; I agree with mototuneusa. I have ran in many new bikes on my Dyno in the same manner as described and plenty of race engines the same way. Only the other day my Apprentice asked me to run in his new K8 1000 in this way. With a little over 100klms on it & after an oil change it punched out 166.9hp, that's healthy HP from a stock 1000. In comparison to say a K41000 with extractors & a PC111 punching around 145/150hp. I have ran in a K8 'Busa as well, however the bike was slightly modified with big bore Hindle headers, pc111 etc, it punched a very healthy 196hp. When my K8 arrives it will also be run in, in this way. I will be wanting reliability and high mileage from this bike. I average around 60,000klms (37,000miles) per year.
Forget the first engine oil change at 1000klms (600miles) If it is run in on the dyno, we change the oil after the final run then again at 1000klms. I change engine oil as close to every 3000klms as possible on my road bikes and after every race meeting(day) on our race bikes. It is cheap insurance. Many of the road bikes that we have run in this way are now up around 30000/50000klms (18/30000miles) No problems, good compressions, hp still within spec' etc.
Run it hard but don't thrash it, it's a fine line, but it makes a big difference.:oh yeah:

Cheers,
Tex & Bundy


Cool dog :banana:
ive never been one for doing the whole run it in easy i did try one but my evil side got the better of me ive never had any probs by doing this as far as i know as long as you dont just stay in one gear ( on a motorway ) then your fine get on a nice country road that you know and go balls out im lucky i know a few places free of the law but even after getting off a GSXR 1000 the difference was amazing my god yeah shes fast:surprise::surprise:

montaņes
12-15-2008, 09:12 AM
i broke my 07 in as recommended. I changed the oil at 860 miles, adding a K&N oil filter and Mobile 1 full synthetic. At $14.60 a quart + Filter + Laybor= $116.00

I need to get a shop manual.
I change first oil at 120 miles adding a Mobil 1 semi and at 600 miles again with the first service with the same Mobil 1 4T fully

You are the only one that I know is using Mobil too.

My breaking in was soft and progresive.

Cali Badazz !!!
12-15-2008, 11:50 AM
Ever watch a NHRA drag race? they rebuild a mega HP motor in 30 minutes or less and then go race it.. I always want to say WAIT you cant go past 5500 rpm yet!! :rofl:

eezicar
03-21-2009, 12:12 PM
Here's a question guys, Hows all of the above run in procedures apply to a k8 turbo, a bit of quick history, the bike blew and the motor has just been re-built. New pistons, rings etc. Do i take it easy or blast her?????

banned user
02-07-2010, 03:25 PM
beat it up after the first 100 miles... running in periods are a hand down from slow reving 1950 engineering on long stroke sluggers that wernt balanced and had bad tolerances... anything that revs higher than 8k is cut to slip.. the cranks and bearings are second to none and dont need to run to fit ... ride it like you stole it... it wont go bang. :cheers: